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Who is right, California, or the Federal Government?

Poll closed Apr 13, 2018.
  1. California

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  2. the Federal Government

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  3. neither/no opinion

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  4. Fucking river dance bitches!

    42.9%
  1. shootersa

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    https://finance.yahoo.com/video/california-ag-responds-cities-protesting-212842156.html

    So alert readers will recall that the State of California passed it's own sanctuary law, making it illegal to inquire into someones status as a citizen, and barring law enforcement authorities in the state from cooperating with ICE officials in most cases.

    Orange County, the state's most populous California county, called a bullshit and voted to exempt itself from the sanctuary law. Several other California counties and cities have either followed the Orange County lead, or are considering it.

    Jeff Sessions filed a law suit earlier in March, alleging that California's sanctuary policies directly interfere with the federal government's own immigration policies.

    This has all very much pissed off California's Attorney General, Xavier Becerra, who a) filed a counter law suit alleging illegal Federal interference in a state matter and b)threatening to arrest any law enforcement official who violates the California Values Act. (That's what they call it by the way; the "values act". Really.)

    So.

    On one hand we have President Trump, his Attorney General Jeff Sessions, the entire ICE hierarchy and a handful of California cities and counties.

    On the other hand we have the State of California, the California Attorney General, some of California's law officers, and a handful of California cities and counties.

    Neither side is blinking. Yet.

    One possible scenario that will result in civil war will be the California Attorney General ordering the arrest of, say, the sheriff of Orange County. In response, Jeff Sessions will order the arrest of the California Attorney General. Governor Jerry Brown, roused from his stupor, will declare California's succession from the union. Trump, in response, will order the governor arrested as a terrorist and tossed into a cell in Guantanamo until he "regains his senses".
     
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      Fox Business VideosMarch 28, 2018
      Orange County supervisor Michelle Steel and Orange County undersheriff Don Barnes on California Attorney General Xavier Becerra’s threat to officials in Orange County over their defiance of the sanctuary law.
       
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  2. user 326

    user 326 Renaissance Man Banned!

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    Most people are too pussy to ever do anything real.

    Just a bunch of blustering from people who will always be sheltered from any kind of war.
     
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    To make this claim...''Most people are too pussy to ever do anything real''... I would have to say it pretty close to reality...Many dont really want to get involved, many just want to live their own lives.

    BUT...

    What about those nefarious infidels that seek nothing other than to create chaos amongst the community?

    Like those characters that we see at many marches that start fires and the looting and the disturbance and bring a bad name to many of the ''civil liberties marches''?

    The very same seedy characters that are ''paid activists''... those characters alone, could take a front seat in an escalation effort.

    Then what?

    I just explained a very reasonable scenario, this really is not a ''bunch of blustering'', this could play out to be a very real dealio
     
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    Yeah but you're forgetting the fact that those particular pussies only do that shit when there's no consequences.

    They feel sheltered by the law.

    They wouldn't do shit but run for their lives while pissing their pants.
     
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    Kalifornia is never right.
     
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      California not Kali ass hole
       
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  6. ace's n 8's

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    Looting, arson and hostility is protected by the law?...hmp. ok.
     
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    Name one time they faced real consequences for any of it.

    Now imagine if there was a real possibility they'd be shot for it. You think they'd still pull that shit? Fuck no.
     
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  8. ace's n 8's

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    Anti-Sharia marches, counter-protests lead to fighting and arrests

    Police in Seattle used pepper spray and made several arrests for assault....

    Fights also broke out at demonstrations at the Minnesota State Capitol in St. Paul, and at least one arrest was made
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    Arrests at violent Berkeley Trump protests while tax marches stay calm

    On day of protest, police make 13 arrests as pro-Trump crowd clashes with ‘anti-fascists’ in California and thousands call for financial disclosure elsewhere.
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    Mayor on May Day riot: 'That's not political speech. That's crime'

    Portland police arrested 25 protesters, on charges ranging from arson to assault, criminal mischief and theft. All 25 suspects were cited for failing to obey a peace officer, and police said the arrests will be reviewed for additional charges.
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    'Black Lives Matter': Thousands protest in US cities

    Several protesters arrested at rallies for disruption as week US President Obama deemed "very tough" draws to close.
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    Police injured, more than 200 arrested at Trump inauguration protests in DC

    217 protesters arrested Friday after a morning of peaceful protests and coordinated disruptions
     
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  9. ace's n 8's

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    Calif. Sheriff Pushes Back Against The ‘Sanctuary State’ In A Big Way

    One California Sheriff Puts Her Foot Down Over The State’s Dangerous Liberal Stance On Immigration

    California’s officials have encouraged some pretty dangerous behavior from their law enforcement officers praising those who buck against Federal law in terms of immigration.

    The Liberal’s main goal has been to cut ICE out of the loop when an inmate, who is in the United States illegally, has been released. This forces ICE agents deeper into the community to ‘hunt down’ these criminals and deport them. Causing potentially fatal chases and leading to possible shootouts.

    One Orange County Sherrif says she would rather ICE agents know well in advance so she has decided to post the release records to the public. Her goal is to keep the community safer. By following the Federal law rather than the laws of her State and allowing ICE agents to pick up immigrants currently detained in a safe environment, she is doing just that. Take a look.

    Watch



    As Reported By Paulina Dedaj with Fox News:
    Officials in California’s Orange County voted Tuesday to join a lawsuit from the Trump administration fighting the state’s “sanctuary city” laws, hours after the county sheriff’s department anounced its own methods of pushing back against the legislation aimed at protecting illegal immigrants.

    The Orange County Board of Supervisors voted 3-0 to join the U.S. Justice Department’s lawsuit, which argued three recent California laws deliberately interfered with federal immigration policies.


    One of the laws bars police in many cases from turning over suspects to federal immigration agents for deportation.

    “This legislation prevents law enforcement from removing criminals from our community and is a threat to public safety,” Supervisor Shawn Nelson said before the vote.

    The county moved earlier this week to improve communication with federal immigration agents by publishing the release dates of inmates online. The sheriff’s department used to screen inmates in the county’s jails to help Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents identify those subject to deportation but had to stop after the state law passed.
     
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      Cut State Funding & Cut Federal Funding, see who wins.

      I just like how she says that she follows The Law, she means 'I follow the law I think is just and right.'
       
      Ed Itor, Mar 30, 2018
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  10. Hush

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    Fixed! This will stop all the drama. As to the issues, I have no opinion one way or the other.

    [​IMG]

    Hush....an alias
     
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    [​IMG]*not_secure_link*interactive.nydailynews.com/2016/02/state-of-jefferson-secessionists-california-gun-totin-rebels/img/003_jefferson05_bs_0000000003503202.jpg
     
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  12. user 326

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    That's real consequences? Are you serious?

    Most of those spoiled brats sued and won lawsuits. The city and state governments purposely handled them with kid gloves until they got violent, entirely to avoid a PR nightmare in this era of no accountability.

    If those cops had started firing as would happen in a war, the vast majority of those people would've shit themselves and run for their lives.

    You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.
     
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  13. HungryDATM

    HungryDATM I am Hell, a Miracle overloaded

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    You are fucking dead-on accurate! It's really bizarre....those on that side want to bring down the very system that protects their asses. Those of you on that side: be careful what you wish for, you might just get it. Eventually, you, your wife, your mom, your dad, your children, your aunts, your uncles, your cousins and your friends are gonna do something (it could be ANYTHING) that the government does not like. You might (or might not, depending on how you look at it) get lucky to be shot in the street first with your neighbors watching (an example has to be set, after all). If it was up to me, I pray that you would be the last to be shot, that way you can watch whoever it is being blown away, & in those final few seconds, maybe you would realize that maybe socialism isn't so great after all.......
     
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  14. HungryDATM

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    Probably not, though...
     
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    CALIFORNIA - LARGEST INSANE ASYLUM IN THE WORLD


    Interesting that the LA Times did this. Lou Dobbs reported this on CNN and it cost him his job. The only network we would see this on would be FOX. All the others are staying away from it.

    Whether you are a Democrat or Republican, this should be of great interest to you!

    Just One State - be sure and read the last part... try for 3 times.

    This is only one State... If this doesn't open your eyes, nothing will!

    >From the L.A. Times.

    1. 40% of all workers in LA County (10.2 million people) are working for cash; and not paying taxes. This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants, working without a green card. (Donald Trump was right)

    2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

    3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.

    4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal, whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

    5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals; they are here illegally.

    6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.

    7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most
    likely illegal aliens from south of the border.

    8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.

    9. 21 radio stations in LA are Spanish- speaking.

    10. In LA County, 5.1 million people speak English; 3.9 million, speak Spanish. (There are 10.2 million people, in LA County.

    (All 10 of the above facts were published in the Los Angeles Times)

    Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare. Over 70% of the United States ' annual population growth, (and over 90% of California , Florida and New York ), results from Immigration. Also, 29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.

    We are fools for letting this continue.
    And then there's NANCY PELOSI:

    Nancy Pelosi (who was just re-elected and part of this problem) wants a Windfall Tax on Retirement Income. In other words, tax what you have made by investing toward your retirement. This woman is a nut case! You aren't going to believe this…; Windfall Tax on Retirement Income.. Adding a tax to your retirement is simply another way of saying to the American people "you're so dammed stupid that we're going to keep doing this until we drain every cent from you".

    Nancy Pelosi wants to put a Windfall Tax on all stock market profits (including Retirement fund, 401K and Mutual Funds)!

    Alas, it is true- all to help the 12 Million Illegal Immigrants and other unemployed Minorities!

    This woman is frightening. She quotes... "We need to work toward the goal of equalizing income, (didn't Marx say something like this?) in our country; and at the same time limiting the amount the rich can invest. (I'm not rich, are you?)"

    When asked how these new tax dollars would be spent, she replied:

    "We need to raise the standard of living of our poor, unemployed and minorities. For example, we have an estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in our country who need our help along with millions of unemployed minorities. Stock market windfall profits taxes could go a long way to guarantee these people the standard of living they would like to have as Americans."

    (Read that quote again and again and let it sink in.) 'Lower your retirement; give it to others who have not worked, as you have, for your money.
     
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  16. anon_de_plume

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    So much for the state's rights argument...
     
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  17. HungryDATM

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    It was the centralized American government, from the end of the Civil War to the end of the Civil Rights movement, that forced some states to integrate.....where were those states' rights, Hilary? You can't have it both ways...
     
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  18. anon_de_plume

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    This won't be the reason for the civil war... That will be because some right wing moron thinks someone wants to take their guns!
     
    1. shootersa
      Chatter on, Magpie.
      If we have civil war it will certainly be for the same reason as the first civil war; states thinking their rights always, but always usurp National rights. When it comes to immigration, that's a Federal obligation, not a state right. California is flaunting their passion for protecting law breakers and giving a "fuck you" to the first Federal obligation of our security. This they got away with under Obama, but Shooter predicts that President Trump won't (can't) tolerate it.

      It's likely that during President Trump's term we'll see some terrorist act or other disaster that is caused by illegal immigrants. And when (if) that happens it's a solid bet the unsupporters will froth and spew that Trump fucked up. The deplorables will not be fooled, and will rally around the President who is defending and protecting America in spite of the almost treasonous actions of arrogant elite liberals like Pelosi et al.
       
      shootersa, Mar 31, 2018
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      Yawn...
       
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  19. HungryDATM

    HungryDATM I am Hell, a Miracle overloaded

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    No answer? Not surprised....you are not as smart and enlightened as you think you are.
     
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      You weren't talking about guns, I wasn't talking about guns....WE were talking about states' rights....as a typical Democrat, socialist, communist, Progressive, or whatever you choose to call yourself, you change the subject entirely when you don't have shit to say that is relevant.....
       
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  20. shootersa

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    Ease up there sparky

    You'll trigger him and shooter is pretty sure the safe space is closed.
     
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